Category Archives: enterprise

Splunk Makes Monitoring Clouds Easy

By Krishnan Subramanian

Even though cloud makes provisioning of IT resources just a click away, it is only the beginning of the game. Cloud infrastructure is not a miracle pill that completely eliminates any need for IT. The typical IT management problems of the traditional c…

AffinityLive – PSA For Us All

By Ben Kepes

I posted recently about OpenAir, NetSuite’s PSA offering. Hot on the heels of that I talked with Geoff McQueen, founder of Hiive Systems an Australian vendor who is bringing its own PSA solution to market later this year. Geoff gave me a deep dive into their offering, AfifinityLive and despite

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Convergence? Or a Quasi Suite

By Ben Kepes

For awhile now I’ve been writing about suite vs best of breed. My thoughts have admittedly wavered a little bit, on the one hand I am a believer in the web being the platform, but on the other I’ve got extensive experience with the nightmare that is tying apps together.

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Private Cloud Redux – Nimbula Bets on Today’s Reality

By Ben Kepes

A number of cloud commentators seem to get all pent up and in a state of agitated hand-wringing about private cloud. “But it’s not the true cloud” they say, having some sort of dogmatic view over what is, and isn’t cloud. In my mind – so long as it’s scalable

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Salesforce Chatter goes into GA. No Hiding Now Marc!

By Ben Kepes

I’ve always been partly in awe and partly dubious about the way Salesforce.com CEO Marc Benioff gives… “aspirational” product announcements. On one level, it’s great to get people thinking and envisioning a future, while on another vaporware is just that – unobtainable and frustrating. Just look at his quote about Chatter: Salesforce Chatter is the [...]

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Rackspace Gives Email Users Choice

By Ben Kepes

I believe that all generic technology services should be outsourced. Anything that doesn’t provide a point of differentiation for your business is a candidate to move to the cloud. One of the first applications in this class is, I believe, email. Beyond security of your data, there is no compelling reason to keep your mail [...]

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B2B Integration, Available to the Little Guys at Last. Acquisition, funding and bootstrapping

By Ben Kepes

Lots of interesting happenings in the B2B integration space – some funding, an acquisition and a little battle aiming to bootstrap its way to stardom. Recently IBM announced its acquisition of Sterling Commerce – Colleague Ray Wang does an, as-always, excellent job of giving a quick perspective. Some key points from Ray’s post: On May [...]

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Box Takes on Desktop Sync, the Space Gets Ever More Crowded

By Ben Kepes

I’ve written before about a number of desktop sync products I use – these products help me to keep my life organized across multiple devices (see my Syncplicity posts for example). The fact is that, for me at least, I live on three different laptops, a desktop from time-to-time and one or two mobile devices [...]

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Business ByDesign meet NetSuite, NetSuite meet Business ByDesign

By Ben Kepes

I wanted to refrain a little while from commenting on SAP’s announcement of the long-awaited (and oft-maligned) Business ByDesign on-demand product (as an aside, is it just me who feels a little finny calling a SAP product SaaS?). Zoli has covered the launch previously, but I wanted to return and reflect on what it all means – and how it changes the competitive landscape. After the announcement at SAP’s Sapphire event, which I missed due to my attending Google IO, pretty much every ERP commentator weighed in with a perspective – I wanted to talk to a few different people before I gave my two pesetas.

So there’s a myriad of issues here, and it’s hard not to be clouded by the on-again, off-again history that ByD has been plagued with – having said that we need to look at ByD afresh to gain some kind of insight. I spoke with both NetSuite (see disclosure statement) and SAP recently to get their reaction (and counter reaction) to the launch. NetSuite, in echoes of a feisty Marc Benioff in the early days of salesforce, came out with the following deck that articulates some of the weaknesses they perceive in ByD:

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Now it has to be said that many of their points relate to issues with the newness of ByD – and an obvious retort is that just because a product is new doesn’t mean it’s a weak offering. Their point about the strength of their own developer community is a valid one, and ByD is starting of from ground zero in relation to this. However on the flip-side, SAP itself has a developer community an order of magnitude bigger than NetSuite’s and they will no doubt be encouraging these developers to add some value to the product – the big disclaimer in all this is that we have no real idea of what the ByD development platform will actually look like – one would be more than surprised if SAP hadn’t learnt from previous mistakes and had created in this version the ability for third parties to build specific offering on top of ByD – but at this stage it’s a little bit unknown.

Moving on to their next point, that of the functional shootout held during the Sapience conference last year, this is a little bit of a red herring. Firstly the product tested at Sapience is different from what is out in the wild today, while secondly there have been some questions raised about the fairness or otherwise of what occurred there – I don’t want to go into that issue but suffice it to say I’d take the Sapience result with a bit of a grain of salt.

In terms of the last slide in the deck – this is all a bit disingenuous – Business ByDesign is for all intents and purposes a brand new product so of course it’s history starts today. That said, SAP is plagued by the fact that multi-tenancy seems to be only a very recent thought for them – it does raise some questions around a fundamental understanding of on-demand software and economies of scale – multi tenancy is one of the cornerstones and it’s hard to see how SAP could have got this so wrong until now.

Moving on to price, Dennis Howlett comments on ByD’s pricing saying:

SAP has a reputation for being expensive. Even at $149/user/month for a minimum of 25 users Business ByDesign still weighs in at $44,700 per annum… That still sounds like a lot until you hear that SAP is prepared to go down to 10 users. At this level, we’re looking at $17,800

That’s a significant margin on top of NetSuite’s pricing (it’s not completely apples with apples, but even discounting the price differential, ByD at 50% is a significant step up in terms of price). I asked NetSuite to clarify their pricing and they came back to me with the following:

Our standard pricing is $99 per user per month, and a $499 base fee per month. We also have a lower per user pricing tier for employee center users (i.e. users who’ll be using NetSuite just for time & expense management).

Beyond all of this though, and what interests me more, is how SAP is going to message this product. let’s face it – they’re the big guys, used to big ticket sales to large enterprises – moving down market where agility, price and a message that resonates with customers are the critical factors – is a hard ask. It’s very much like the salesforce and Siebel battle all over again, NetSuite gets to play the feisty young startup, defining a new industry. To that end, and as something of an aside, I’d expect to see NetSuite CEO Zach Nelson become much more aggressive in his media relations – while NetSuite were the only game in town, Nelson could remain a little quiet and concentrate on executing. With ByD in the wild I’d expect to see many more Benioff-esque moments – we’ve already seen a few with Nelson calling out SAP in recent earnings calls, and NetSuite using guerilla marketing tactics at SAP events – expect that sort of behavior to increase. As Howlett points out:

NetSuite’s bigger problem is brand recognition.For all its years in the market, it hasn’t really managed to take the SaaS/cloud high ground for integrated applications. SAP can bulldozer over it (and pretty much anyone else with the exception of Salesforce.com) anytime it chooses.

Which speaks to a much more energized Zach Nelson raising his head over the parapets in the weeks and months to come.

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Suite vs Best of Breed – Let the Battle Begin (Yet Again)

By Ben Kepes

A month or so ago I sat in a room with a small group of bloggers discussing the enterprise software space with NetSuite CEO Zach Nelson and one sentence he said stuck in my mind: The same was is playing out in this space all over again. And just like

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Ben Kepes is a technology evangelist, an investor, a commentator and a business adviser. Ben covers the convergence of technology, mobile, ubiquity and agility, all enabled by the Cloud. His areas of interest extend to enterprise software, software integration, financial/accounting software, platforms and infrastructure as well as articulating technology simply for everyday users.

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